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May 02, 2008

Dissent or Descent?

The things I do for Mazurland...

One of the local ronpaulians where I work is an interesting, and typical, I think, case study on the natural progression of the type of person who might follow Ron Paul in the first place.  To protect both the innocent and the insane, we'll just call him Dale, which works on multiple levels.

Anywho, when I first started working at my current place of employment about three years ago, I got into an argument with one of my colleagues about the obviousness of liberal media bias for the MSM.  Sadly, despite having been a Republican in the past, this individual, unbeknownst to me at the time, was already in the grip of severe, and now terminal BDS -- even to the point of having voted for Mr. Hussein-Obama in the recent primaries, and not for strategic reasons.  I'm still working to at least prevent his BDS from mutating into its McCainian sub-strain, but I digress.  In frustration and unwillingness to observe simple examples of liberal MSM bias, this individual instructed that I should talk to "Dale" to find a like-minded compatriot.

So I did.  At the time, Dale was a lot like me in outlook, if perhaps a bit more bombastic.  A supporter of George W. Bush, the war in Iraq, and the greater "war on terror" as a whole, and a long-time Republican, at least here was someone (hadn't really gotten to know Marty yet) off of whom I could bounce ideas from time to time (when I could get a word in edge-wise, as Dale can be a bit dominant in conversations). 

It was during a field exercise, which entails a small team of engineers sitting in somewhat close and confined quarters for a couple weeks, isolated from friends and families, that I began to see signs of descent in Dale.  Naturally, politics is a common topic during these outings, as there's just not much else to do besides talking during the long work days in field exercises, and men being men, we talked about things that interested us. 

Then came up the Forbidden Topic of Doomâ„¢ (so named after this field exercise, of course):  the gold standard.  I, and those with me who were not Dale, listened for hours on end about how we as a country must, must! switch back to the gold standard if we are ever to emerge from the inevitable doom of the boom-bust cycle in which we have found ourselves.  All of this from Dale, of course.  Not being economists ourselves, or graduating from I Spent Two Hours On The Internet Reading About It University like Dale did, we obviously didn't have much ammunition against him apart from pointing out his lack of credentials ("shooting the messenger", of course, never mind how the messenger's credibility can, of course, impugn the veracity of the message) and the fact that our standard of living, when taken as an entire whole, vastly outstrips that of our forebears (refuted with "But it could be so much better if only we had stayed on a gold standard!", based, presumably, on his zeros of hours of economic modeling, simulation, and forecasting).

Of course, anyone who's spent any time whatsoever with a ronpaulian instantly knows that calls for a return to the gold standard are merely the mating call of the species.  I did not know this at the time, so we enjoyed a cordial conversation about the upcoming race, myself of course touting Fred Dalton Thompson (this was May 2007, back when such a thing was merely an exciting twinkle in my eye rather than a foregone conclusion (early fall 2007) or a sad reminder of things-that-could-have-been (November 2007 and on)), another being a fan of Romney, or Giuliani, or maybe McCain -- I forget precisely, and there was Dale, talking about some guy with two first names, Ron Paul.  "Isn't he a bit of a nutjob?", I sheepishly ask, based on the few snippets I had read by that time.  "I really like what he has to say," Dale responds, and then spouts a litany of policy positions -- limited government, strict constructionist Constitutional principles, fiscal responsibility, etc.  "Well, obviously I support those, but he's anti-war, right?"  "Yeah, well, I'm not so sure that's a bad thing", says Dale, ominously. 

Separate conversation a day later:  "Have you ever heard of false-flag terrorism?", Dale asks.  "Like when somebody pretends to be somebody else to start a war?"  "Yeah, I'm watching this video by Alex Jones..."  If you don't know anything about Alex Jones, well...  let's just say he's nuttier than a squirrel's turd, and leave it at that.  Of course, Dale watches this video, about the "secret history" of government-sponsored false-flag terrorism, with a completely uncritical eye, and takes much of it as gospel truth.  You know, because it "said so on the internet!"

We return back to our hometown.  In the coming weeks, Dale is sporting a "Ron Paul, America's Only Hope" shirt, drinking from one of those obnoxious "Ron Paul REVOLution" mugs, wearing Ron Paul buttons, plastering Ron Paul's face all over his office, talking him up every chance he gets, et cetera, ad nauseam.  Cue the next field exercise a short 2 or 3 months later.  Now we're on to full-blown "Ron Paul is the Only Man Who Can Save America!", spoken with that dead-behind-the-eyes look of a true cultist.  Mutterings of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and other shadowy organizations follow.  Statements of belief mistaken for and asserted as statements of fact are made implying that only Ron Paul could muster enough votes to beat Hillary or Obama (or Edwards, at the time).  "Evidence" of his rising Intrade numbers is produced (and refuted).  The Crazy has truly set in with Dale, and Ron Paul becomes another Forbidden Topic of Doomâ„¢ at the field office (an injunction repeatedly broken, at great length, by Dale). 

This whole post was inspired by the capstone event in Dale's "evolution", witnessed by me this very morning.  In Dale's workspace, a bumper sticker.  A sticker, you ask, supporting Ron Paul's now-defunct campaign?  No, while Dale still stridently supports his man, not this time.  Rather, this was the text:  "FREE PALESTINE / END THE OCCUPATION". 

Ladies and gentlemen, I think I have sympathetic ears around here when I say that this is a truly sad and disgusting spectacle to behold.  From supporting American principles of democracy, classical liberalism, and freedom, to jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon ostensibly in support of these very principles, to agitating for a death cult whose very charter dictates the destruction of the only genuine (albeit far from perfect) liberal democracy in its region, this describes a perfect, albeit not-yet-terminal, descent into incoherence and political fringe. 

My prediction:  before a year elapses, "Dale" will begin to express sympathy for socialist/Marxist/Maoist revolutionary groups -- you know, because if they're "against the war" then they must be worth listening to.  Lying down with dogs, waking up with fleas, and all that.  Where the terminus of this descent lay, I cannot say.  But it's frightening to behold.

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It's kind of amazing how such smart people can become deranged. I'd always thought that the person who referred you to Dale (hereafter referred to as "The Referrer") was something of a political neophyte. Maybe all those years studying math and engineering left him no time for the humanities, social sciences, politics, etc. I remember The Referrer asking Dale's "Older Brother" (D.O.B.)for some advice on a good book from which to learn some economics. D.O.B referred him to some Austrian Economics for Dummies book.

Dale is a very smart guy. But I know for a fact there's something in his electrochemistry that makes him a serial raging enthusiast for whatever he gets into. D.O.B. is kind of an interesting case himself. Another very smart, very analytical person, dispassionate about a lot of what he does. But he's been around so many more blocks than Dale. He has studied Eastern philosophies, science, economics, farming techniques, and many other things. While he's not so relentlessly, thoughtlessly enthusiastic as Dale, I think he, like so many other people we both know who have fallen for RP, has what I call "Engineer's Disease".

Being an engineer is, at times, a very good thing when thinking about complex problems, and not just technical ones. Engineers tend to be organized, logical, and systematic in their approach to problems (and would that more people in the world were just that way). But people who succumb to "Engineers Disease" begin to think that everything can be systematized. They fall victim to theories, and theories that have the fewest number of free parameters. This works fine in mathematics, physics, and some other disciplines. But not in social sciences, politics, or even something as well-studied and systematized as economics. Sufferer's of Engineer's Disease become people who have a small toolkit (a theory with the fewest free parameters) and try to fix every problem with that set of tools. They mash data to fit theories, and think things can be controlled by twiddling the familiar knobs.

Posted by: Marty | May 2, 2008 2:42:14 PM

You're right to say that "The Referrer" is somewhat of a political neophyte, in the sense that there was probably reasonable breadth to his political exposure, but very little depth.

I also recall The Referrer's budding interest in economics. I don't think he took too much of D.O.B.'s advice, though, as he seems to have stuck mostly to Adam Smith, Milton Friedman, and other universally-recognized masters. The Referrer also scoffed at the notion of gold-standard economics, so there's hope there.

Interesting observation about The Engineer's Disease. I've observed similar things, but hadn't put them all together quite so clearly. The Referrer also has this, much like D.O.B., although his manifests more in a "flavor of the month" mentality, wherein a particular topic or concept becomes the intense focus of all his efforts (sometimes work-related, sometimes extracurricular) -- economics being a particular example (actual conversation: TR:"What do you think of the World Bank?" Me: "Don't care for it, since it props up kleptocratic regimes and indirectly prolongs poverty on a global scale." TR: "Well, I'm thinking of applying to work for the World Bank. I want to do something with economics!" -- keep in mind this guy is an EE).

What do you suppose keeps some of us engineers from becoming that way (assuming we are indeed free of it)? My guess is a healthy tendency toward skepticism.

Posted by: Ben | May 2, 2008 2:59:31 PM

A good Catholic education. And I say that only partly in jest.

I don't think that the aforementioned is any kind of guarantee, unless you are open to what you can get out of it. And since you're not Catholic, you obviously have had other influences beside your time in Catholic school.

I think the attitude revolves around the ideas in Psalm 146. It's not that acid product of the Enlightenment, a radical skepticism that eats all belief, but a prudence born of faith in something higher. Or so I think on my better days.

Posted by: Marty | May 2, 2008 4:42:19 PM

I don't have time to read all of the comments and check the links right now, perhaps tomorrow.

For now I have 3 comments.
BEN:(Hank drops to knees and raises hands above head, while bowing in supplication--"I'M NOT WORTHY! I'M NOT WORTHY!"

2.Did I miss the conference call when we decided to troll for an extra 200 hits from RonPaulistas? I decided to let it go....

3. SUUUUM-AAAAAA-BIIIIIIITCH!

Posted by: hank kaczmarek | May 3, 2008 1:20:23 PM

Hank: Ben's taking a risk (and so am I). He's talking about people we work with, in a very thinly disguised way, people that may or may not read the blog. I have no idea who reads it, but I know there are some who do who might pass the word.

You, on the other hand, use real names and make it pretty obvious when you pull the pin on FNY, et. al. The big difference, I guess, is that we don't see those people day to day...

Great post, Ben, you risk taker you. Hank, we're looking forward to the next time we hear that "tink" sound of the pin being pulled...

Posted by: Marty | May 3, 2008 5:22:59 PM

Hank: This wasn't really ron-paul troll-bait, although it may be taken as such (okay, okay, the graphic on the front is pure unfiltered premium draft troll bait, but i mean apart from that). The whole punchline of the narrative was the "FREE PALESTINE" thing toward the end, which truly shocked and saddened me. Don't get me wrong, for all his bombast, I like "Dale" as a co-worker and associate. He's a nice guy, and probably has a heart of gold, and as Marty observed, sharp as a tack, engineering-wise. But I have yet to see any political movement gravitate toward the pro-"Palestinian" cause without reeking of anti-Semitism, hard-left socialism, fascism, or any other nasty political disease. I'm holding out hope that maybe that was somebody else's sticker, since his current workspace *technically* is temporary.

Marty, thanks for the Psalm meditation. It's given me food for thought. I'd *like* to think there are non-Spiritual reasons for my own supposed sanity, but maybe that's just chasing a rationalist dream.

Posted by: Ben | May 3, 2008 9:04:32 PM

Ben: I think it's a bit of both. I like to think I've drunk in the spirit of what is said in Psalm 146. Done it by my choice, after looking around the world, etc. A kind of prudence and suspicion about the ways of the world. But then, I think, I'd be giving myself too much credit. There are lots of people way smarter than me who get caught up in enthusiasms. And I know I'm not immune to them, either. So whatever circumspection I have is a gift of the Spirit. And, like all such gifts, you've gotta be grateful for them and use them positively. It's easy to use any gift negatively. Since any such "gift" is usually a kind of predisposition you have (some would say it's your genetics, upbringing, whatever). In my case, the "gift" of circumspection can shade into complacence, laziness, pessimism, cynicism, etc.

Posted by: Marty | May 3, 2008 11:29:28 PM

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