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October 25, 2005
The Fish Wars
Jim Miller wonders if there is a truce in the fish wars, and offers the picture at right, from the back of a Toyota Prius, as possible evidence. What are the fish wars? Well, they're the wars between the Christian fishies and the Darwin fishies (you know, those little car trunk symbols), yet another proxy fight in the larger culture wars.
Back in the dark days before the blogosphere existed, I used to correspond on Usenet on a couple newsgroups. One, alt.fan.cecil-adams, is a group devoted to discussions of skepticism and mythbusting in popular culture. Back in 1998, I had this to say to a put-upon Bible-belt humanist who wondered why the Darwin fish symbol might be considered arrogant:
Actually, I've always thought that the Darwin/Fish sticker is arrogant (and silly) and not because it is blasphemous (Though I'm religious, I don't consider the sticker to be at all blasphemous). It is arrogant because it is childish and it sports a worldview that is every bit as closed-minded, wrong-headed and moronic as that which it purports to poke fun at. And here I am not saying that Darwinism is close-minded or wrong, just the silliness that would prompt someone to put such a sticker on his car.
I don't live in the Bible-belt, so I don't think I can appreciate the pervasiveness and oppressiveness of the overbearing religious culture that many rationalists claim exists there and prompts them to such fits of pique that they find it necessary to childishly thumb their noses at religiosity. However, I see plenty of "Fish" stickers and a small, but significant number of "Darwin/Fish" stickers. The "Fish" stickers usually appear on Pontiacs, Hondas, and the like, with no other markers indicating the religious vehemence of the owner. No rapture, hellfire and damnation, Honk-if-you-love-Jesus, or any other fundamentalist sentiment whatever. To me they seem to be the equivalent of wearing a small crucifix. They say "I'm a Christian"...Beyond that, they usually don't show many other clues about the owner. Maybe an NRA sticker, or a Dole sticker, or a Perot sticker (or even a partially scratched off Clinton/Gore sticker). The cars don't scream out "I'm a Christian, and not only that, I'm a God-fearing, Bible-reading, home-schooling, fundamentalist Christian, and you, Sir, are on the way to Hell for your un-Godly secular humanist beliefs"
The Darwin/Fish stickers are often found on Volvos and sometimes sport other stickers of the "In-Your-Face Humanist" variety: "Question Authority", "I'm Pro-Choice and I Vote", pink triangle, rainbow, etc. Maybe a Nine-Inch-Nails sticker. The owners seem to be ... college educated, and also seem to think of themselves as "right-thinking". But because they are obviously putting themselves in distinction and opposition to plain-vanilla Fish people, they seem to say "I'm a rationalist Humanist and proud of it, and you inbred Fundy mouthbreathers are ignorant fools."
The arrogance comes in two flavors. First, the sticker seems to assume that anyone who would sport a plain-vanilla Fish sticker is a Biblical-literalist creationist. Or, worse, that all Christians are such. This shows ignorance and arrogance about Christianity. Arrogance, because the person making the criticism (or poking the fun) purports to be a rationalist bien-pensant, and hence should know how to make distinctions. Second, the sticker assumes a false dichotomy between religion and science. What the sticker is also saying is that Darwinism (and by implication, all science) and Christianity (and again, all religion is usually implied) are incompatible and mutually exclusive. This is not only logically false, but neither is it assumed by all intelligent Christians, or for that matter, by all rationalists. Thus the "wearer" of that sticker arrogates to all rationalists a certain childish, petulant, and close-minded view of our state of knowledge.
I don't know if the wars are any less hot now. But maybe there is peace in one car.
October 25, 2005 by Marty | Permalink
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I agree fully with your comments on the Darwin fish. It boils down to being put up for negative reasons, when the plain fish is positive. And you made the condescension very clear. Remember in grad school I had a T-shirt that said "I'm So Educated I Could Shit"? That was a joke. But some of these liberal bumper stickers are trying to say that seriously, in their own way. They are better than us. More enlightened; by science, by multiculturalism, by tolerance. Then they don't understand why their "obvious superiority" isn't appreciated by us non-bumper sticker, quiet Bush supporters.
Posted by: Chris | Oct 26, 2005 9:37:01 AM
Just like Jim Miller, I'm a little unsure what message the two-fish car owner was trying to send. The fact that the car was a Prius says a lot. And even though the message is unclear, it doesn't feel good to me.
I don't think the message was about some unifying belief of evolution and religion. It was probably something more saccharine, like "why can't we all get along", or "philosophical debate is not the answer", which totally diffuses any rational discussion and implies a final, *superior* solution to the debate on the Prius owner's part.
Posted by: Chris | Oct 26, 2005 9:48:02 AM
I really like your last comment, Chris. Jim was trying to get at what the kissy-fish symbol might mean, and I vote what you said.
In the first comment: Whatever happened to that shirt? I do believe that you were wearing that shirt in the picture that is on the "About Us" page. You can's see it because we're standing behind that wall. I do remember you wearing it when we visited you in Berkeley, where that picture was taken. I think I once told you that you'd have to give me that shirt once I got more degrees than you have...
Posted by: Marty | Oct 26, 2005 9:56:30 AM
I'm so amazed that this is even a subject for a discussion I do not say that the ‘Darwin evolution theory’ is the last word of the science. but being careful not to step on the religious toe when even Pope John Paul II has admitted that the theory is feasible and that it could be easily integrated in Christian dogma. So no sticker of one or another kind on my car, though I never saw one (and hope will not ever) here in the Netherlands
Posted by: Boris | Oct 26, 2005 5:14:57 PM
Glad to have you aboard, Boris. It is an interesting phenomenon in this country. As I said in the post, much of it seems to be a proxy fight for a much larger culture war. This battle pits secular humanism and naturalistic materialism (not logically necessary allies, but it sure seems to have shaken out that way) against people who have a transcendental worldview. It's odd and illogical on many fronts. The Fish Wars are not really that big a deal here. There are probably many more Christian fish, and they were around first. ABout 2000 years, though only the last 20 or so on cars. The Darwin Fish is a latecomer. Maybe the last 10-15 years.
Much more serious in the culture wars is that between Darwinism and what might be called Creationism. This fight has been going on for over 80 years in the US, starting with the famous Scopes 'Monkey Trial'. It is my opinion (and I have a brother in Mazurland who disagrees on many points with me) is that both sides misunderstand and misrepresent the other, that there is no necessary dichotomoy between science and religion *unless* one holds either a strict literalist view of the Scripture (a significant minority of CHristians) or holds that science explains *everything*. I also believe that many people in either camp hold extreme opinions almost as an unconscious reaction to the presumed underlying motives of the other. Thus, I believe that many, though not all, literalist Christians hold that view as a reaction to materialism. And likewise, many strict materialists are so because of a reaction to misunderstood religiosity.
In the end, the disagreement cannot be scientific. This is so because even if Darwinian evolution were irrefutably proven, I believe most literalists would still reject it. By the same token, the question of God's existence and nature cannot be scientifically addressed, but most hard core materialists think that reject the non-physical out of hand but will never admit that they are making a metaphysical argument by doing so.
Posted by: Marty | Oct 26, 2005 7:10:24 PM
How may households are split on this topic in modern America?
Perhaps the fish are just a commentary on the family displaying it.
If so, I could relate to and accept the display as a "cute" recognition of their differences.
Posted by: Todd from Proctor | Nov 2, 2005 12:26:35 PM













